Came here to check out that crazy gold RAM, but it actually looks pretty awesome (in the dark). Didn't realise it was RGB.
Wow, that GPU is massive. I was tempted to buy it on sale, but I think I'll wait til next gen.. :P
Who says Gigabyte are unreliable? In what way? :P
Been buying their motherboards and graphics cards since the early 2000's..
Whenever I look for either, I tend to just filter by Gigabyte and Asus. Gigabyte tend to be better bang for buck compared to Asus though, so my last 4 GPUs have all been Gigabyte. Conversely, Asus seem to be better bang for buck in the motherboard dept lately, so I've gone with them for my last two..
Anyway, glad to see you gave them a chance and you're enjoying the GPU! I would've bought this one if I didn't have a 1080 (G1 Gaming) already.. :)
Is there really much difference between C14 and C16 with the 2600X?
I put this set in my Dad's 2600X/B450 build and it had no issue running at 3200. Half the price of the C14 sets.
Using the Trident Z RGB version with the same specs in my 2700X/X470 with no issues either.
I was obsessed with getting C14 for Ryzen too, but after reading multiple comparisons, I decided it wasn't worth paying extra for minimal improvement. I think it made more of a difference with Ryzen 1000 series.
You only need the USB cable for the CM software, so if you can't use that, you just use the RGB header cable and you can control the fan RGB colour (while the ring and AMD logo remain static white).
I got the Wraith Prism cooler with my 2700X. I've always used the stock coolers with my previous AMD builds (as the AMD warranty said you had to) and never had any real issues, but this is by far the best one I've had (considering my last build was an FX-8350). It was actually a relief that it came with an awesome cooler, considering how massive some of the new coolers can be.
It has two modes, High and Low, and it comes with two ways of controlling the RGB. If I remember correctly, the basic RGB control through the motherboard will only control the main fan RGB, while using the other (USB) cable and the CM software also allows you to control the colour of the ring and AMD logo (which otherwise remain white?).
The 3700X is basically the 'non-X' version of the 3800X.
Compare the 2700 to the 2700X and then compare the 3700X to the 3800X.
All 2000 and 3000 series CPUs come with a cooler. Even in the 1st gen, it was actually ONLY the non-X models that came with a cooler. So consider it a free gift and buy your own cooler if you want to.
If you look at the 12th photo, you can see there is a clear path to the slot, but it's pretty tight.
I only just upgraded to a PCIE 3 motherboard late last year..
But I'm actually more excited about the data transfer rates and faster M.2 SSD speeds, but I won't be upgrading again until Zen 3 next year, at the earliest, so maybe they'll have PCIE 5 by then.. :P
You're looking at the wrong WD Black.
You should be looking at this one:
It's the fastest.
For 'entertainment' purposes, the 3600X is looking like a better option all round.
Make sure you get the new Evo PLUS version. It's faster AND cheaper..
Well, it was pretty useless in its first iteration. First of all, it only works with Intel (making it totally useless to me), secondly, it only worked if you were using a HDD as your boot drive. Yet you had to have an M.2 slot available. So.. yeah.. :P
I assume you're talking about APUs, but not sure why, since noone has mentioned them in this topic. The point of the link was to show how much superior the new 3000 series is compared to the previous one, let alone the 1800X. And that's not taking into account the other issues with the 1800X which have been fixed in the 2 years since, and the fact that the 3000 series has PCIE 4, which will have a significant impact on M.2 SSD speeds, and further down the line, GPU performance (future proofing).
If you don't like wccftech, you can see the same story on numerous other sites as well.
Maybe they got it wrong, as other sites were talking about a leaked 3600 benchmark, but that's irrelevant to the main point. I don't think buying an 1800X, no matter how cheap, is really worth it anymore..
It's an actual SSD. You're thinking of Intel Optane Memory, which is pretty useless..
PCIE 4.0 hype train departing platform 4 in.. 1 month :P
Definitely worth waiting..
This is the BASE model of the new series. Plus you get PCIE 4, which means faster M.2 SSDs as well as GPUs in the near future.
Plus they're due out just a week after the end of June.
Of course, you'll probably have to 'upgrade' your motherboard to an X570 to take full advantage of everything..
G-Sync is compatible with Nvidia cards and Freesync is compatible with AMD cards. Unless it's one of the few monitors that Nvidia has deemed to be G-Sync compatible. The point of both is to keep things smooth by matching the monitor's refresh rate to the frame rate of the game, as long as it's BELOW the monitor's maximum refresh rate.
Basically you might as well not have Freesync on your monitor with the RTX 2060 and you'll just be using V-Sync to prevent tearing (which will cap your fps to your monitor's refresh rate).
I got that impression from the 3 options you suggested, but in my opinion all 3 were "no good", so I gave you my recommendation, which is 1440p :P
Your PC is good enough to enjoy 1440p, and it's definitely the sweet spot between 1080p and 4K.
I'd recommend a 27" 1440p IPS monitor with G-Sync, but the closest thing I could find to anywhere near $300 CAD is probably this thing:
This is actually slightly better than the monitor I've been gaming on for the last 5 years or so, because it has a 75Hz refresh rate, rather than my paltry 60Hz..
It also has Freesync, like your 3 options, but that won't help you much with the RTX 2060, unless it gets certified as G-Sync compatible.
I'm talking about my OWN Completed Builds section. It would be awesome if it had the same functionality as the Saved Part Lists, ie moving them up and down and creating folders. But just being able to reorder them would be nice.
Completed builds list is stuck in alphabetical sort and can't be re-ordered? I'd like to have it in chronological order, or be able to move them around, like the saved parts lists.. :/
No problem, at least you won't have to wait much longer to start gaming!
I didn't realise Assetto Corsa was so CPU intensive. I'll have to try it out, as I haven't really gotten around to playing it since it was Early Access..
Well hopefully, you shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time, like you said. You'll just be missing out on getting your hands on PCIE 4.0, which is coming for the first time with the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs. And you've paid a premium for getting the 'top of the line' Intel CPU, which probably won't make much difference in most games, especially when you upgrade your monitor. Speaking of which, that should be an awesome upgrade. I've been gaming on a 27" 1440p 60Hz monitor for the last 5 years or so, and now I'm playing around on the 4K TV, but my GTX 1080 is just a bit under-powered to get smooth a 60fps at full Ultra settings on all games, so I'm looking at upgrading to a 34/35" 1440p ultra-wide myself. I've been waiting for over 2 years for the release of the Acer X35, but that might cost as much as my TV, so I might have to settle for the X34P until G-Sync HDR monitors come down a bit in price.. :P
With all the problems they're having right now, even to the point of recommending you switch off hyperthreading, what was your rationale for switching to Intel? :P Ryzen 3000 series is going to blow Intel out of the water, at a much cheaper price.
Are you planning on upgrading your monitor anytime soon? This is overkill for 1080p at 144Hz. You'd probably be better off either waiting for Ryzen 3000, or buying a 2600X and saving the money. Either way, you won't need to upgrade your CPU for a LONG time, especially if you upgrade to a higher resolution, where the GPU will be doing most of the work. I suspect that on your current monitor, you won't be getting the most out of that CPU anyway, since the main advantage of Intel is 1080p gaming at super high fps (ie 180-240).
Personally I only just upgraded from an FX-8350, which was released way back in 2012 and is still running fine, to a 2700X at the end of last year. It was only when I paired it with a new GTX1080 in the last year that I was getting some stuttering issues in some newer games, so decided it was time to upgrade. We run two PCs, so the FX 8350 is going to keep going for another two years or so, when I plan to build a new Ryzen 4000 build and pass the 2700X on to my wife.. :P
Obviously, it's your money and your decision, but I think going for Intel is a waste of money at the moment. They just released a new KS version of that CPU because they're concerned about the 3000 series which is due to be announced later today.. :)
I don't think it's worth it, look at this:
Should be announced pretty soon (Monday, apparently!), with a Q3 release date. The new Ryzen 5's will be 8C/16T.
Ryzen 5 3600 8/16 3.6GHz 4.4GHz 65W $178
As for why the 2600, I just think you'd be better off with a second gen 6C/12T Ryzen than any of the first gen. The second gen fixed a lot of issues that the first gen had, such as the reliability on fast RAM for performance, and a bunch of new features, such as XFR2 and Precision Boost 2 (although, actually, you might need to get the X version for those two).
Anyway, if you want something right now, I'd probably recommend the 2600/X, otherwise, wait for the Ryzen 3600/X, which should be pretty amazing for the price, especially if it's mostly for gaming.
X470 and 1700? Are you waiting for the Ryzen 3000 series? Should be awesome..
New Ryzen 5 series should be better than a 1700 in every way, and still cheap..
If not, I'd probably even suggest the 2600 over the 1700..
Windows and all your software/apps, including Steam. But once you build up a bigger Steam library, move the games you play less often, or perhaps less loading-time-dependent onto the HDD.
480GB should be enough to keep a handful of your bigger games on there, that you play most often.
1440p is the sweet spot between 1080p, which has been around for over a decade, and 4K, where you might struggle to get a smooth 60fps with Ultra settings on some games.
Differences (in fps) between CPUs are much lower at higher resolutions, so you shouldn't have any problems running that CPU with the RTX 2070, or any other current GPU you might be interested in..
As already mentioned, I'd recommend getting a G-Sync monitor, probably a 27" IPS with 165Hz, such as the Acer Predator XB271HU (which seems to be cheaper than the Asus variant with the same specs). You'd probably be looking at anywhere between 100-165 fps, depending on the game, so G-Sync should keep everything nice and smooth for you.
With that combination, you should have no trouble playing at 1440p with those settings, let alone 1080p. I'm playing my 2700X/GTX1080 on my 4K TV, though I'm limited to 60fps on that..
If you're not in a hurry, Ryzen 3000 series should be amazing..
Pfft, I don't know why people say that. Front I/O connectors are easy, and you can't wreck your board, like you can if you accidentally scrape the back of the motherboard on a standoff, as I learned the hard way.. :/
Powering up for the first time is always exciting, but again, you're just hoping everything's going to work, and if it doesn't.. well.. it could be because of that scratch on the back of the motherboard.. :/
I just saw this chart earlier today. I never cared too much about VRMs, since I've never bothered overclocking. As you can see in the chart though, my X470-F is ranked above the B450 Tomahawk. :P
They're looking for the "perfect motherboard" for their first build. I've given my suggestions based on my opinions and preferences.
Installing an I/O shield is easy. Positioning the motherboard into the case, into the I/O shield, without scraping anything on the standoffs, is the tricky bit. Probably the most nerve-wracking part of any PC build, especially for a first-timer. Integrated I/O shields make the process much easier and less stressful. Hopefully all motherboards in the near future will have them.
I've been using Gigabyte and Asus for years and never had any problems, reliability-wise. I don't have any personal experience with MSI or ASRock, so I couldn't 'recommend' them to anyone.
Wow, I can't believe you're wasting a 2080 on 1080p resolution... :O
I've got a 2700X/GTX1080 and I'm currently playing on my HDR UHD TV..
You should get yourself a 4K monitor, or at least a 1440p or 1440p Ultrawide!
I'm just hoping they bring down the price of Nvidia cards.. I'd like to be able to buy an RTX3070 at a decent price in a few years.. :P
Or, you know, you could just make your own suggestion (even though it's already listed in the build), rather than suggesting I should've included it in mine?
I made 3 suggestions based on my own research when I bought my own 2700X. The X470 board, which I consider to be the best pairing for the 2700X, and two of the best (IMO) B450 options. Both of which have integrated I/O shields, which make installation considerably less troublesome. None of the MSI B450 boards have an integrated I/O shield, so I, personally, wouldn't suggest any of them.
Yeah, I'd be waiting for the 3000 series too, at this point. So you might as well wait and see if the Navi rumours are true too.. :P
My personal choice for my 2700X was:
Best X470 motherboard I could find, but I was only looking at Asus/Gigabyte.
If you only need B450, I'd suggest the B450 version of the above, or the Gigabyte B450 AORUS Pro Wifi.
Hey, nice build.
Just a few points..
RAM - That specific model looks really expensive for some reason, have a look at these:
I can recommend the Ripjaws V model if you're not too fussed about specific looks (though it still looks pretty cool IMO).
CPU - You know the 2600X comes with a pretty good stock cooler? If you're getting the expensive cooler because you're planning to do a manual overclock, you might as well go for the 2600 (I've read).
SSD - 970 Evo PLUS is the current model. I would recommend you go for a 500GB model. You'll be able to fit a bunch of your favourite games on there. Very easy to move games between drives with Steam.
GPU - Can you still get a Vega 64 anywhere, or are you going for second hand? I'd either wait for Navi, or (personally) get an RTX 2070 instead (or a second hand 1080).
What res are you going for? 1440p? :)
Oh, yeah, I love 1440p. I didn't see that monitor there before? Thought you were still using a 1080p, which would be totally wasted on this build.. :)
Now you just need a better monitor, so you can use all that power.. :P
I guess you already answered your own question. Forget 1080p, it's been around since PS3/X360 days. Time to move up!
I would recommend something like this:
27" 1440p IPS with a high refresh rate and G-Sync if required (cheaper options without it)..
Shouldn't be a problem. I've been gaming on a 27" 1440p 60Hz for the last 5 years, starting with an FX-8350 and a GTX 670 in 2013, then upgrading to a GTX 970 in 2015. Now that I'm on a 2700X with a GTX 1080, the display has become a huge bottleneck, as I can get around twice the FPS with V-Sync off.
The 1060-6GB should be a bit better than my old 970 in most cases, which was fine up until some of the later games, when I had to lower a few minor settings to keep things in the 50-60fps range. Rainbow 6 is over 3 years old now, so it shouldn't be too taxing.
Overall I'd say it's definitely worth upgrading to 1440p from 1080p. It looks so much better, and there's so much more room on the desktop as well, especially if it's a 27". If you're planning on upgrading your GPU anytime soon, I'd actually recommend you invest in one of the more advanced 1440p screens with G-Sync, or at least a higher refresh rate, but if you can snag a bargain right now, I'd say go for it. It's definitely an improvement from 1080p/60Hz!
Maybe not powerful enough to run everything at 200fps, but then, if it was, your monitor would already be holding you back, and there'd be no point in having G-Sync.. In any case, you'd probably get close to 100fps, and with G-Sync, I'm sure it'll be ultra smooth anyway. I've been gaming at 1440p 60Hz, so I'm happy with anything higher than that..
Personally I've got my eye on the Acer X34P, while waiting for any news on the (probably WAY more expensive) X35.
Ah, well, then you might not have needed to upgrade your CPU if you had already upgraded your resolution first :P
Should've upgraded your monitor resolution instead.. :P
I was just wondering, since you seem to be playing on a 1080p 144Hz monitor with a 1080Ti. Wouldn't you already be getting the max 144fps (assuming VSync on) on any game with the 8600K?
Good choice on the monitor. 27" 1440p is definitely a great sweet spot for gaming (I've been using it myself for over 5 years now, though only at 60Hz). I'd recommend you get IPS over TN, though, as they can look a bit washed out..
The RTX 2070 should be pretty capable of giving you over 100fps on Ultra settings in most games. As you may have gleaned from CPU reviews over the last few years, at resolutions higher than the now ancient 1080p, there is very little difference between modern CPUs. As for streaming, I've read that more cores/threads in the CPU is a plus.
As such, I reckon you could save some money on the CPU/MB by going for a Ryzen 2600X with a B450 motherboard, and use that extra money to upgrade to an IPS G-Sync monitor, if possible.
You can use the (pretty decent) stock cooler, don't have to worry about overclocking as the X model does it for you automatically, and you'll have twice the threads of the 9600K for streaming/multitasking.
Was it worth the upgrade from the 8600K? Did you notice any increase in any games?
Wow, that's a lot of different storage options..
That PSU shroud makes a nice shelf!