Awesome build. I like that case, but aren't you worried about dust buildup from it being on your carpet?
No problem. Just gave your '80s build a vote. I like the sleeving!
Ah, didn't read the comments. Venison is a good one too. Now I'm hungry and want some jerky lol.
Neat experience, though. Whereabouts do you live if you don't mind me asking?
Waiting for your parts to arrive is the most agonizing part of any build. Especially, and this has happened on many occasions, when you have everything you need other than a single component that decides to take a week or longer to arrive after everything else. It's torture.
Name it Dinner.
Doesn't seem possible. You can put something like a - or . at the beginning of the build name and it'll move it up, though. That's what I did.
Thanks a bunch for clarifying, I haven't used an Asrock in a while.
Well, that's disappointing then... More marketing gimmicks and useless fluff in the industry
Not released yet, but you should keep your eyes open for MSI's upcoming B450M Mortar 'Max'. If it launches for the same MSRP as the original Mortar then it should be $100 bucks even. I'm only suggesting this because it seems a lot of the current manufacturers are struggling to roll out a stable bios for Zen 2 on their older 'board models.
Edit: But if you had to go for one now (and I'm assuming you can't get your hands on the original Mortar for a good price since they're not sold in NA anymore) then I'd suggest these two:
Unfamiliar with the Asrock's bios, but I'm pretty sure it's got an 'Instant Flash' feature if I recall correctly.
Could you tell me where you bought this NZXT H400? I've been searching everywhere for the white micro without any luck. Started to get worried its been discontinued or something.
Anyway, nice build! Cable management was on point.
Nice build, but I strongly disagree about that case having good airflow. I just used one in a build this month and I was beyond disappointed with it. The entire construction is very cheap and that front mesh-like material is actually a solid aluminum sheet with tiny holes that doesn't allow for as much intake as it appears. Oh, and there's no dust filter behind it or any other additional cutouts for intake. The case looks nice and that's about all it really has going for it. There are much better cases for the money.
Edit: My full review of the case can be found on its product page.
Norton Antivirus... it's been so long since I've heard that name and it still makes me shudder at the thought. Good list. The Gigabyte Vega models have some of the worst reviews I've ever seen, especially the 56. Oh, and if you don't like Noctua because of the brown/beige you might wanna take a look at their new Chromax lineup.
Why don't you like Asus? They've generally been good to me over the years. Except that monitor I've put on my list. Good lord, I'd rather have used a 20'' office monitor...
That's fair. I always say I'm a loyalist to my wallet before any one brand or individual. Nothing ever gets written off from me permanently, as you've pointed out they all have their ups and downs, but there are times where a bad experience will get one put on my craplist until their next design or generation rolls around. Plus, some things are just subjective when it comes to cases or appearance and such. This list compiled was my current craplist of today. Anyway, thought it would be fun is all. shrugs
Those are still safe operating temperatures but it's probably not 'normal' or ideal. It sounds to me like another case of PBO/XFR shenanigans being triggered by otherwise benign software causing the chip to boost. I'm no expert on the matter, but it was a known problem on the previous Ryzen generations... although AMD seemed to assure everyone that it was fine and nothing to be concerned about.
Still though, I'd be more concerned about roughly 1.4v being fed through my 'board constantly when these chips boost that high than I would be worried about the CPU. Here's a workaround fix:
Should be good to go after that. May be a sort of Band-Aid fix, but it's all I've got. Cheers and good luck! Someone with more knowledge of what's going on may be able to help you further.
Yeah, I had a feeling. Seen some mixed reviews/opinions on those units from time to time. Still though, it should be just fine but I'd say it's at least worth taking a look at some sales for something that may give a little more peace of mind. Bronze efficiency isn't too great either.
It's a very good build. I don't see much reason to change any component you have planned. Admittedly I'm not familiar with Corsair's CX lineup of power supplies aside from them being among the cheaper units. If there is a better quality one for a comparable price then that would be an obvious upgrade. For all I know they could be great though; I don't stay up to date on the inner workings of PSUs.
Definitely AMD. 2600X is a much better chip overall and the same can be said for the base 2600 at an even lower price. The Hardware Unboxed comparison Mark5916 shared below is worth a watch.
Personally, the only thing that bothers me is the price. Most models seem to run around $400 American (apologies, not familiar with your currency conversion up there) and they have a lot of competition offering comparable performance for cheaper prices. While a bit slower, the 1660ti can be picked up for $100 dollars cheaper in some places and the used market is also flooded with used GTX 1080s and Vega 56/64s that deliver performance within a reasonable margin of the 2060 as well. If you waited about a month you'd start to see a lot of models of the new Navi RX 5700 coming out too. Still cheaper than the 2060 and trades blows in performance with the new refreshed Super 2060.
I'm not trying to talk you out of it by any means, though. It's an outstanding card. I just hate the price. GPU market is a complete mess right now and we're being charged ridiculous prices for mid/high mainstream products.
Everything looks really good. I would replace your Samsung SSD with a Crucial or Western Digital Blue 1tb model. They'll only run you about 10 bucks more expensive for double the capacity. Also, I don't think the 2060 is a good value card, but it's certainly a powerful one and seems fine. You could pair it with a 144hz 1080p monitor or probably a 75hz 1440p monitor for a reasonable price.
The Steel Legend is available in both micro and standard ATX form factors.
Your build is looking very good now. Make sure you don't forget to place your orders before sales and such end haha. The way you feel about MSI's crap marketing is how I feel about Gigabyte's motherboard build quality and reliability in recent years so I can't pretend to be thrilled about that Aorus Pro WiFi selection either, but I don't want my opinion to make or break your build - nor should you let it. I'd still consider it a safer bet over that Asrock Pro4 you originally had in the plans so that works. Plus it'll save you a couple bucks on a WiFi adapter as you've pointed out. Still though, just want the record to show, if it were my build I'd definitely have the MSI B450 Tomahawk as the top consideration around $100 bucks followed by the Asrock Steel Legend and Asus B450-F Strix. That decision can be left up to you because I think you'll be fine with any so long as you don't get a dud. As for your video card, what more do you want to know? It's a really good card. Great for high refresh rate gaming at 1080p resolutions while also delivering very good performance for 1440p resolutions. Are you looking for more? Less? Better value?
Glad I helped. And yes, in this industry don't be afraid to give some other companies a chance. Too often the much better value products get overlooked because they're not the most recognizable brand. Anyway, as for your build plans; it definitely sounds to me like you'd get more of your money's worth out of the Ryzen 7 2700 than the 2600X. Whether you overclock or not, the difference in gaming (usually base, single-core clocks are the determining factor here) wouldn't be that recognizable to anyone unless they're some compulsive framerate watcher. Both will deliver a solid performance while the 2700 will likely age a bit better and be more well-rounded. I do think you should heed everyone's advice in here and consider a better motherboard, though. It doesn't quite live up to the rest of your build and while it certainly is good enough, the question should be 'but for how long'? I wouldn't want you to chance running into motherboard problems as a fairly new builder because they're often the most infuriating and difficult problems to diagnose/resolve.
Oh, and thanks for advice on sharing builds! Don't spend a whole lot of time down in these forums.
Cooler is one of the best so you're fine. RAM might be a very tight fit so I cannot confirm. You may end up having to situate the fan more forward to allow for extra room if it doesn't. EPS is the cable at the top of your motherboard. Your PSU should have an extra one, your 'cpu power', but if it does not then you'll need to buy an additional cable that's compatible with it.
That's great news if so, and thanks for clarifying. Memory must be off then and I'll have to dig back up the source of my info and find which two I had confused. Unless you know from recollection? Maybe it's the X470/B450 Performance Gaming ones sharing the same design as the Mortars/Tomahawks.
Edit: Yep, you're spot-on. My apologies. Either way, all viable options for the OP here and his uses.
Had the same thoughts. MSI currently has some of the best hardware on their boards across the entire AM4 platform. He might be referencing MSI using essentially the same phase/vrm layout on the X470 as they do on their B450. In the, er, red and black ones. Hard time remembering the names. Gaming Plus or Performance Gaming? Something like that.
It's very hard for me not to recommend an MSI board, but since they gave you a headache I'll respect what you've asked and leave it out. Your build looks solid. There are only a few things I'd change.
You can get a Crucial P1 (NVMe) 1tb SSD for $100 bucks. It'll be faster than the Samsung and cheaper. Alternatively, if you want a 2.5 SATA drive you can get a Western Digital Blue or Crucial MX500 for about $105 bucks currently. Still cheaper than the Samsung with very little difference in everyday, real-world speed.
You can get the 3200mhz kit of Corsair Vengeance for only $10 bucks more. Drop the CL and tighten the timings if you'd like. No reason not to consider them for only $10 more dollars in my opinion.
You could get a Ryzen 7 2700 currently for cheaper than a 2600X. The 2600X will game better by a small margin, but that's negated if you overclock the 2700 and consider the better multitasking it offers due to more cores/threads. This is something for you to consider based on your needs.
Consider a better quality motherboard. The Promontory lineup from Asrock has had mixed reviews since Zen 1 when Ryzen was released. If it works then it will be just fine; if it works. I would definitely call it the weakest link in your entire system, but if that's your budget for one then that is fine. Just keep an eye on it and be aware it may not be the best option out there. Hard to argue with such a low price, though, I understand.
Lastly, and especially if you decide to go with a 2600X or overclock the 2700 a little, a Hyper 212 Black Edition cooler may be worth picking up. They're on sale for $25 bucks and may give the 2600X a little more headroom with its XFR and PBO (self-overclocking) features. In this case dropping temperatures adds a slight boost to performance. By no means is this a necessary purchase, though. Up to you.
Crap, I don't remember how to post builds in the list view above. Anyway, your 2600X + Vengeance 3000 + the 860 EVO is $357 dollars. In my part list the 2700, faster 3200 Vengeance, a Hyper 212 Cooler, and a faster Crucial NVME drive is $352 dollars.
Absolutely. That's a great deal. It's the processor I've been using in my Ryzen build and I believe if all you're doing is gaming with some light streaming or misc' workloads on the side then the value it offers cannot be beat. Good luck with your new build and have fun!
It's a really good move. Respectable and pro-consumer, especially given AMD's promise to keep AM4 going strong. Enjoy your new build and money saved! thumbs up
Yes, this is true. AMD has offered these kits for pretty much as long as I can remember. Pretty sure Intel has, too.
Honestly I'd avoid those two. Probably among some of the lowest quality B450 boards out there. The Asus Prime is the same as the 'TUF' which doesn't have a good reputation in the vrm/heatsink department. Frankly I just can't recommend any Gigabyte board because my recent experiences with them have been so bad - even if they look good on paper.
Keep in mind all of them will work, though. I'm not trying to scare you away from any ones you may want to try. Any junk car on the road from a sub-par manufacturer is likely to drive and get the job done for a while. What you're looking for is good build quality, longevity, the feature set, and the right price point. I think the Steel Legend and Tomahawk will offer much better value around the $100 buck price range.
For a 2600/2600X the Asrock Steel Legend is more than enough. It's not a bad board for pretty much anything under a 2700X. Looks really nice, too. I also like it more than the Asus and Gigabyte anyway. I've had bad experiences with Gigabyte motherboards in the past 2-3 years. I used to really like them, though.
Strongly recommend the B450 Tomahawk for the best all around value in my opinion.
The Carbon AC uses essentially the same hardware but comes with a better feature set and may look nicer to some. Cost is more expensive, though.
MSI and Asus have some decent X470 motherboards as well, but really, I don't think they're necessary.
Nice parts. Got any more pics?
Couple things I want to mention:
First, the B450 Steel Legend should be able to handle a 2600X and a moderately overclocked 2700, but I wouldn't be comfortable recommending a 2700X paired with it. It'll no doubt run and 'work', but that chip will definitely push it to its limits and longevity may become an issue. In terms of the hardware I'd say the MSI B450 Tomahawk and B450 Pro Carbon AC are better suited for the task. There are a lot of reputable reviewers and articles covering heatsinks and vrm quality if you're interested.
Second, you can't go wrong with any of those processors. All are on sale for great prices. If you don't want to overclock, but want overclocked performance then get the X models. I own a 2600 and an all-core OC of 4.1ghz produces very little noticeable difference between the 2600X at these speeds. Still though, the difference between the two is about 10% at best.
Lastly, your uses and how long you plan to keep the processor. I believe the 8-core 2700 and 2700X is the obvious choice if you intend to stream or do any workloads aside from gaming. However, if this is a strictly gaming rig then you can't go wrong with a 2600 or 2600X. But we are slowly creeping our way towards more cores/threads being utilized in video games - finally. Even if you are just gaming, but want this thing to carry its own weight for as long as possible (say, 5-7 years) then the obvious choice would be a 2700 or 2700X.
Best bang for your buck: 2600
Best gaming chip: 2600X
Gaming + productivity + intend to keep the processor for 5+ years: 2700X
Value productivity if you want to overclock and tinker around: 2700
Hope some of this helps!
Sorry about the delayed response. I'm almost positive we used Rustoleum's Berry Pink color, but I know we wet sanded some coats off and used a matte finish to make it look less bright and glossy like a hot pink. It's really hard to tell in the pictures, though. Our phone cameras didn't really do it justice.
Agreed. I'm not sure when it was made (I'd guess around 2014 based on the layout) but surprisingly it's damn-near impossible to find any videos or builds with this Phantom edition. Maybe for a good reason. The regular K500 seems to have sold fairly well, though. Thanks for checking out her build!
In hindsight that probably would've been a better choice, but the alternative was sticking with her old Antec GX500 case so I suppose any upgrade is better than none. I think the Antec is about 10 years old now and she loves the look of those designs so this Cooler Master was familiar to her. We do think it looks good, but yeah, bad value for the money. Trust me I tried showing her a lot of the popular modern designs and she wasn't a big fan of any of them. Corsair, Phanteks, NZXT, Fractal, CM, Bitfenix, etc.
Good to hear! When she sees this I'm sure that will make her smile.
Thanks. She works for Shriners Children's Hospitals.
Forgot to mention, if anyone knows of any good mechanical or red/black keyboards in the split ergonomic design, please recommend them! She loves those things and won't use any other type of keyboard but that old Microsoft one she uses has seen better days. I'm not even sure where to begin with those. They drive me up the wall when I try to type on them haha.
Great to see another B450M Mortar owner. Probably the best $100 buck motherboard I've ever bought. Sturdy little tank that's a diamond in the rough among the forgotten Micro form factors.
Great topic. I'm pretty much a die-hard AMD guy, but credit should be given where it's due. I owned an i7 2600k many years ago and I had it paired with two SLI'd EVGA 670s. Sandy Bridge was a phenomenal architecture and that rig I'd built may go down as one of the best I've ever owned. Fast forward to today, and I'd strongly encourage Intel fans to stray away from their traditional comfort zones and give AMD's offerings a chance. The current market is flooded with outstanding chips from the red team and their value for the cost simply cannot be beat. Don't worry, I'm sure when Intel makes it to 10nm their entire lineup will be screaming fast. Loyalties aside, this is a great time as a mainstream consumer.
Nice and clean. Those top exhaust fans look awesome. What are they?
Amazing idea and execution!
We'll see some custom Navi designs in about a month. So far MSI has 4 confirmed that I know of.
I'll be the first to strongly suggest you buy a Ryzen 3700X because it is a much better all-around chip for the price. When accounting for the price, by the way, you should also consider the cost of your motherboard and CPU cooler. The 9700k does not come with a cooler whatsoever while the Ryzen will come with a fairly decent one if you stay below a moderate overclock. That said, I'm willing to excuse this difference because I realize in the Ryzen-based system you'll likely spend the same cost of a cooler for faster memory - which Ryzen tends to prefer. The biggest difference between the two in terms of cost will come down to the processors' MSRP and the motherboard(s). Seems the 9700k floats around $400 while the 3700X should regularly be found for $330 despite the current launch shortages and slightly inflated price as a result (at least on Newegg). You can get a solid B450 'board like the MSI Tomahawk for $100 bucks whereas comparable Intel 'boards will run you around $50 bucks more expensive.
So, as the tale usually goes, if you want the best value for your money then you should consider the AMD build. If, however, you're fine spending a bit more and only plan to play games then I cannot deny the 9700k may be better for you.
... but still, the difference between the two in gaming is marginal and we haven't even had enough time to give the Ryzen chips a fair shake because the drivers and BIOS will no doubt continue to mature over time. Lastly, the difference between the two in gaming becomes even less noticeable on any resolution above 1080p because the higher your resolution, the more dependent your frames become on your GPU instead of the CPU. I just cannot confidently recommend the Intel chip unless you explicitly ONLY care about gaming performance in a high refresh rate (144hz-240hz) 1080p environment.
Thanks for hearing me out. Either way, both are great processors.
Definitely. The 3600 will grab the spotlight for most systems, but what the 3700X offers for the price is equally, if not more impressive. Gonna give it some more time for drivers and BIOS' to mature and then I'll probably be getting one for sure. Enjoy your new build! Great bang for the buck.
Bask in its glory. Hail!